The Torah refers to G-d as both a father and a king. In our daily prayers we consistently switch betwenn Father and king at different points in our prayers. In Hebrew we say "Avinu, Malkeinu" - Our father , Our King. While having my step 2 experience it was imperative that I try to have an new experience with a LOVING G-d. My sponsor also made it clear that I had to find out where my current agnosticism resides. My agnosticism is my alchoholism. What I came to realize is that there are two levels of agnosticism. Our book says that we were made clear 3 perttinent ideas. In the original manuscript it said that (c) G-d can and will if he were sought. I believe that it is expressing 2 separate ideas. 1) If G-d can and 2) if he will. As a religious person entering the program I had no doubt of G-d's ability and power. That G-d can help me , I was sure of. My doubts and fears lay in the idea of "will" G-d do it. Does he really love me and is He really interested in me enough that he will do the miraculous for me. I have to come to believe not only that G-d Can but more importantly (for me) that He will. That ties back into the concept of Our father , Our King. Growing up as an orthodox Jew I learned much about G-d as a king. The need to subjugate myself to G-d, to do His will. My relationship with G-d was one fear and reward. If I do this, He will be happy. If I don't - I'm a bad boy. What wasn't emphasizied as a child growing up in Yeshiva (Jewish school) was G-ds infinite love for His children. That is the hardest part of the reprogramming that has to be done in order for me to recover. Interstingly enough throughout jewish prayer we always mention G-d as a Father first and then as a King. ( As per - the amidah - Hashiveinu Avinu L'toratecha, V'karveinu Malkeinu Lavodatecha ( bring us back our father to your torah, and bring us close our king to your service). I believe that the proper way to impart the idea of G-d on a child ( or on my inner child) is to first establish a Father/ Child relationhip based on unconditional love and then to move on to the other dimension of King/ Servant. In my work with other recovering alcoholics and addicts I have found that the religious people I've worked with really have a hard time believing that G-d loves them despite the constant references to G-d's love for his children throughout the torah and the jewish prayers. It is a powerful decision in Step 2 to lay aside our old ideas of G-d and come to see the truth of G-d's love.

One of the fears that I have found in looking at G-d as the Father is that I was afarid that that would mean I don't have to do anything because "g-d loves me". One of the great motivators in religion is the fear of "if I don't do what I'm taught, I'll get punished, go to Hell". If I remove that - will I still do G-d's will. I don't have all the answers and I pray that G-d will show me how to serve Him in a healthy balance between being his child and his servant.

Lastly, I just want to add that it is explicit in the Torah ( rambam , others) that there are 2 levels of serving G-d. The first level is out of fear of punishment or fear of not getting rewarded this is called "yiras haonesh" the second and ultimate level is serving G-d out of love "ahava" it is clear that everyone should try to eventually serve G-d out of love.

The Hebrew word for love is "ahava" the root of that word is "hav" to give. True love is not developed by taking, only by giving. That is the reason parents love their children so much, because we are constantly giving to them. In order to foster love I have to learn to give. Our program teaches us all about selfless giving. That is the ultimate remedy for my self-centered, frightened spirit. If i give and give and give- I will come to love.

In our 3rd step prayer we say "will bear witness to those I would help of Thy Power, Thy Love and Thy way of life. Our recovery proves two things G-d's power and G-d's love. His power that he performed the miraculous saving us from a seemingly hopless state of mind and body. and his Love that he did it for us, His children. That he took a specific interset in each and every one of us.

May we all be blessed by G-d to not only believe in His power but to also feel His love.

Anyways that was my first post feel free to comment would love to hear from everyone.

Peace and prayers,

aron

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This is a beautiful share! I believe my God is all loving, all forgiving & all powerful! And to me God is God as simple as that -just different perspectives on it!
He has performed many miracles in my life and in my sobriety that I never would have thought possible.
If you read my recovery story you will get a little idea of what I mean.
Thank you so much for sharing this
Thanks Aron, and you might help some of us out by giving your referances such as:
How many Hebrew words are there that speak of love?
Just what is the Torah, (1st, 5 books of Moses?)
You quoted from the; amidah? what is it?
Where do we find in the Torah calling God, Father and/or King?

As for, 'CAN' instead of 'COULD', there is a difference that even I prefer.
Though the sentences are desidedly different too, as a whole.
(and the difference is Theological even though the writer(Bill W.) and the members
who insisted in the change realized it or not.

As for being raised an; Orthodox Jew , and being SUBJECTED TO GOD'S WILL?
I do not find that at all in the scritures in any form.
As a loving God, our creator had no choice but to give us free will.
And by it's very nature, being in subjection, removes any free will.
We would be slaves and held under the yoke of bondage without free will.
(there is no love there in that context from God or ourselves)

More could probably be said, but I'll get back to this later, though I would make one other note:
Hebrew words don't help with understanding, as most of us are english speakers and readers.
In loving recovery, Virgil

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